I’m no expert , by any means - but it doesn’t seem that Id politics automatically correlate to electoral defeats. I can think of no more identity tribe than MAGAT, trumpism. Now maybe you’ll say that was a backlash to Dems “Id” politics - but I’d argue that’s false too - both groups go very far back( Ds to civil rights for blacks and other minorities , to women’s suffrage, to the environmental movement , to LBGTQ movements ) this isn’t JUST an Id hastily pasted on to sell Dems. It’s in our blood.
Similarly , I don’t think the maga movement is just a tag hastily pasted - to sell- it has its roots in depriving rights ( KKK, NeoNazis) now it’s hastily added evangelicals and libertarians to sell the products - but see how well that’s gonna go. Their identity is based on very real belief sys that they well believe in.
I think the ID politics term is not being used in a beneficial manner - it’s derogatory , a slur - but we’re ALL identifying with something - a pol movement , a church , a knitting group - you cannot organize any group of persons on the planet without them first identifying themselves as a possible member of that group (I’d like to be a knitter, or I’d like to uphold the constitution ).
The R is now identifying itself as a party that isn’t going to uphold the constitution - that document is in its way. So like it or not , folks now need to choose which group they’re going to Id with, and yes , that’s going to get very painful .
Hey Deborah, im glad you found it thought provoking. I keep prefacing and caveating the action piece that is still on the drawing board. This one is the first of two articles that started as a footnote from the question you raised with me about recommening action. I expanded on my initial reply to you to flesh out my reasoning. It could turn into a stand alone piece as well. For now, I have it as a caveat on the action piece. I hope to get that out shortly. Thank you for ssking questions and thereby helping me refine what it is i am trying to do here.
It makes zero sense to me to plead "The Constitution" when there is zero enforcement of the document. "make me" seems to be M-rats answer to everything.
I’m no expert , by any means - but it doesn’t seem that Id politics automatically correlate to electoral defeats. I can think of no more identity tribe than MAGAT, trumpism. Now maybe you’ll say that was a backlash to Dems “Id” politics - but I’d argue that’s false too - both groups go very far back( Ds to civil rights for blacks and other minorities , to women’s suffrage, to the environmental movement , to LBGTQ movements ) this isn’t JUST an Id hastily pasted on to sell Dems. It’s in our blood.
Similarly , I don’t think the maga movement is just a tag hastily pasted - to sell- it has its roots in depriving rights ( KKK, NeoNazis) now it’s hastily added evangelicals and libertarians to sell the products - but see how well that’s gonna go. Their identity is based on very real belief sys that they well believe in.
I think the ID politics term is not being used in a beneficial manner - it’s derogatory , a slur - but we’re ALL identifying with something - a pol movement , a church , a knitting group - you cannot organize any group of persons on the planet without them first identifying themselves as a possible member of that group (I’d like to be a knitter, or I’d like to uphold the constitution ).
The R is now identifying itself as a party that isn’t going to uphold the constitution - that document is in its way. So like it or not , folks now need to choose which group they’re going to Id with, and yes , that’s going to get very painful .
Adam,
You make many vital new points
that no one else has yet realized.
Wish I could explore them all with you.
As usual I see many things differently.
That is why I read you
--to challenge myself.
Thank you for your deep thought
and important insights.
Hey Deborah, im glad you found it thought provoking. I keep prefacing and caveating the action piece that is still on the drawing board. This one is the first of two articles that started as a footnote from the question you raised with me about recommening action. I expanded on my initial reply to you to flesh out my reasoning. It could turn into a stand alone piece as well. For now, I have it as a caveat on the action piece. I hope to get that out shortly. Thank you for ssking questions and thereby helping me refine what it is i am trying to do here.
I love asking questions
and being asked
The tougher the better
both ways
Analysis catalysis haha
I almost want to complain “I dont work for you!” 🤣🤣
fantastic reply!
that killed me
mutual unemployment
our only recourse
It makes zero sense to me to plead "The Constitution" when there is zero enforcement of the document. "make me" seems to be M-rats answer to everything.
Agreed. Its y as good as the institutions and people defending it. The past few years have been instructive in that regard.